Thursday, March 15, 2007

Tell Me Something...

Do you believe that people get better?



Why or why not?


9 comments:

Brian T. Murphy said...

There are certain things I just believe because I want to believe them.

Believing that people are getting better is one of those things. Even in the midst of a lot of evidence to the contrary, I still believe it.

Matthew Smith said...

Raging alcoholics get dry, criminals become law-abiding citizens, and murderers turn into people seeking peace and love.

What's the question behind your question?

Anonymous said...

I really don't ask this at all light-heartedly, because this is an issue near and dear to my heart, but: what do you mean by "better"? Morally better, after years of struggling with a secret sin? Physically better, after a long, chronic illness? Mentally better, after years of substance abuse and mind-altering prescription drugs?

I'm sorry, Matthew - your statement seems incredibly simplistic. In my experience, it's just the opposite. People - especially people I know well and love very dearly - rarely get better. If and when they do, it's a miracle.

However. I have learned more truth, experienced more love, and seen Christ more fully in people who are utterly broken, desperately sorrowful, endlessly struggling with sin, and suffering. Healthy, whole, comfortable, righteous people don't need Jesus so much. You know? So maybe "better" ain't all it's cracked up to be.

It has been a long journey for me, to be able to make that statement above, and even now my hand shakes a little as I type it.

Dena said...

get better, at what, specifically?

get better at a skill, like musicianship? possibly why? the repetition that is part of practice usually leads to getting better.

get better when they get sick? possibly why? there are many reasons in both directions. too many to get into, here.

grow ("get better spiritually") in sanctification, through the Holy Spirit in one's life, etc? yes why? I'll cite the Bible. Too much to expound upon here. :)

"get better" morally, apart from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? no. why? I'll also cite the Bible.

I'm not completely sure what you're asking, though.

Dena said...

woah. looks like CK and I must be on the same page. weird. haha.

Matthew Smith said...

CK, no need to slam me. I responded simplistically to a simplistic question.

Liz said...

to matthew- but is the root of what drives the criminal to commit crimes, the alchoholics to imbibe, and the murderers to kill ever really...healed? and i really don't mean the whole: are we all really born evil question...it's more like: can we ever really get to the heart of what drives us to hurt people, to hurt ourselves, and to sabotage what could really be a decent life in a shitty world and change it? that even if our behavior has been washed and pressed, can we really be considered "better" if the heart of the problem really exists?

and to you CK- i mean better in th way i said it above: is it possible to actually change the heart of the problem or do we spend our whole lives throwing band-aids on symptoms? i think i would indeed say that if and when it does happen, that its definitely a miracle.

susan said...

Liz, I think it is possible to change the heart of the problem (aptly said because the heart is the problem!) When I look at where I came from and where I am, I'm so humbled that the God of the Universe would stoop to take notice of me. I'm not perfect, not even a little bit close, but I'm not what I was before I knew Him. "Better" is a word that can always spawn a philosophical debate and I only know what I was and what I am, but I'd have to say that even as I sin, even in my unbelief, even as I struggle against the curse that I'll feel until I get to Heaven, I am better because of Him.

Su

Anonymous said...

Sorry, Matthew, I didn't mean to "slam" you. I was just being Captain of the Obvious, I guess.